Dancing Through Diagnosis: One Educator’s Bladder Cancer Journey

January 22, 2026

Transcript

Voice over:

This is Bladder Cancer Matters, the podcast for bladder cancer patients, caregivers, advocates, and medical and research professionals. It’s brought to you by the Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network, otherwise known as BCAN. BCAN works to increase public awareness about bladder cancer, advances bladder cancer research, and provides educational and support services for bladder cancer patients and their loved ones. To learn more, please visit bcan.org.

Rick Bangs:

Hi, I’m Rick Bangs, the host of Bladder Cancer Matters, a podcast for, by, and about the bladder cancer community. I am also a survivor of muscle invasive bladder cancer, the proud owner of a 2006 model year neobladder and a patient advocate supporting cancer research at the Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network, or as many call it, BCAN, producers of this podcast.

I’m pleased to welcome today’s guest, Mike Vasallo. Mike received a shocking diagnosis of non-muscle invasive bladder cancer at the age of 46, which spurred him into action. A husband, father, and career educator, Mike took to social media seeking resources. What he found instead was a community. Mike began video blogging his treatment journey in April of 2024 in TikTok with the purpose of making his videos accessible to future bladder cancer patients to learn from his experiences. Little did he know his videos would reach as far away as Canada, the UK, and Australia. By day, Mike is a high school assistant principal, and by night, he is a passionate bladder cancer advocate. His videos use a mixture of facts, data, dancing, and humor to raise awareness and spread a message of hope to bladder cancer patients everywhere. Mike, thanks for joining our podcast.

Mike Vasallo:

Thank you. I’ve been a big fan. Your podcast has been part of my journey. It’s something that has helped me through.

Rick Bangs:

Oh, thank you. Thank you. So you had what we now know as early onset bladder cancer, which means that you, like me, were diagnosed when you were under 50 years old and you also had no risk factors. So how was your bladder cancer found and what treatments have you had and what’s your current surveillance plan?

Mike Vasallo:

My symptoms began with extreme urgency and pain, but not blood. And I know that blood is usually the marker that most people identify for bladder cancer. So the urgency was like urgency to the point where I was mid-sentenced with someone and I had to excuse myself to go use the restroom. And the pain, it took my breath away. So I knew something was really wrong and so the first thing most people do nowadays is go on WebMD. And so I read that, like WebMD is, it could be anything from being dehydrated to you should get your affairs in order. Thankfully, a few days later, I already had a regularly scheduled appointment with my primary care physician. So I went in, I spoke to her, I explained what I was going through and she said, “I’m going to set you up to go see a urologist.”

Rick Bangs:

Wow.

Mike Vasallo:

So I went to go see the urologist and we began going through some tests to try to eliminate things. I remember when we did the prostate test and that was eliminated, I kind of breathed the sigh of relief because that’s what I was thinking it might be. But we went through CT scan, cystoscopy. And my doctor was saying, “You don’t have any of the behaviors or risk factors of a bladder cancer patient. You’re too young for this. I don’t understand.” And so eventually he set me up for a TURBT and the unfortunate results posted in the portal a few days before Christmas. And my doctor’s office was closed through the holidays, of course.

Rick Bangs:

Of course. Of course.

Mike Vasallo:

And so I had to wait until January 2nd for an appointment with my urologist where I finally sat in the room and someone said, “You have bladder cancer.” Since then I’ve been through … I’ve had three TURBTs and then I have been through now … The initial course of six BCG treatments, I’m up to 15 BCG treatments now that I’ve been through maintenance. And then I also had a partial cystectomy where a part of my bladder was removed. And that was a pretty intense surgery as well. It’s not a bladder removal, but I did lose part of my bladder in the process.

Rick Bangs:

Yeah, that’s unusual. That’s unusual.

Mike Vasallo:

It is. And that’s one of the factors that I think was a potential cause of the cancer. I had what was called a diverticular bladder.

Rick Bangs:

Ah, okay.

Mike Vasallo:

I had a diverticulum or a bubble growing up near one of the ureters. And so the doctor said, “We’re going to do BCG to try to kill this and then we’re going to go in and we’re going to take that diverticulum out.” So they had to remove the diverticulum, they had to relocate my ureter and went home with a catheter and a stent and had a very long recovery. So that wasn’t super fun.

Rick Bangs:

No, no. Anything stent, in addition to the other thing, that’s not fun.

Mike Vasallo:

Yeah, they described it to me as minor pain and the stent is a little bit more than minor.

Rick Bangs:

Yeah. Well, if it’s not your pain, it’s usually minor.

Mike Vasallo:

Right.

Rick Bangs:

Yep.

Mike Vasallo:

So I’ve been on maintenance. I have been no evidence of disease since August of 2024. I recently graduated from three month BCG treatments and cystoscopist to six months.

Rick Bangs:

Ah, congratulations.

Mike Vasallo:

Yeah, thank you. I have a cystoscopy coming up actually just in a few days, so we’ll know some more and then we’ll kind of plan for the next round of BCG from there.

Rick Bangs:

All right, we’re sending positive vibes your way.

Mike Vasallo:

Thank you.

Rick Bangs:

Your primary care physician, right on the ball, that was amazing that she moved you right to the urologist. That’s cool.

Mike Vasallo:

Yes. And I mean, at the time, I don’t know what I don’t know, but now that I’ve met so many other bladder cancer survivors and patients, I learned that that process can take a while for people and some people aren’t heard.

Rick Bangs:

Right, right. Yeah, because my situation was very similar and primary care didn’t go that direction. All right, so shocking diagnosis. So how did you manage the stress and emotions for yourself and for your family?

Mike Vasallo:

So, well, I mean, first of all, that Christmas season was really rough to get through and be positive. My wife and I, we knew what we read in the portal, but we really didn’t tell very many people. We really waited for that appointment on January 2nd to say something to the people closest to us. It was tough. It was particularly tough. It was tough for all my children. They all handled it different ways. I had an older son who was away at college and he was home for the break, but there we are on January 2nd and we’re telling him, “Dad has cancer. Now go back to school and have a great semester.”

So it was hard. They all handled it differently and we got through it because we have a really supportive network of family and close friends. But in the first few weeks, I really didn’t feel like I handled it. I felt like I was a zombie walking around and taking stock of your life in kind of morbid ways in your head. I didn’t have a lot of conversations with anybody about it, but just I started thinking, “These things don’t bring me joy and so I’m going to start eliminating some of these things that don’t bring me joy.” And it was head down and I said to myself, “I’m just going to do what the doctors say. I’m going to fight this. I’m going to do … ” If they say I need surgery, if they say I need chemotherapy, whatever it is, I’m not going to say no, I want to fight for my life, I want to fight to keep my bladder.

But really for about three or four months, we still kept that pretty close, a circle of about 15 family members and friends that were on kind of a need to know basis. We just really wanted to be private about it. We didn’t really know where this was going and how this was going to work out. I kept working through this at my job and I also leaned into my faith, but the management of the stress was something that I think I underrated in the moment and I feel like in that time I should have done more.

Rick Bangs:

Yeah. Yeah. But having that strong family and friend connection is really critical.

Mike Vasallo:

Mm-hmm.

Rick Bangs:

Okay. So you’ve learned a lot, what would you want other people to know and what kind of advice would you give?

Mike Vasallo:

Well, especially in the stress and emotions and the mental health aspect of bladder cancer, I was at a major cancer center and there were resources that were there that I didn’t ask for and I didn’t seek out. And I really wish I would have taken advantage of that in the time, in the moment because that moment after diagnosis is a very dark moment. You’re in a dark place mentally and you really do need help. And keeping it so close to the vest was hard. It was hard on me. It was hard on my wife. And the journey from the onset of symptoms to my first treatment took six months. So even though I did get to a urologist right away, it still took six months to get to something that was going to start working against the cancer. And so that was a long journey.

And without my wife as a caregiver, I probably, it could have been a longer journey. I go back to that January 2nd day that we met with the urologist and we talked about what the treatment courses would be and he suggested I go to the cancer center. And so immediately that day we called and said, “Let’s set up an appointment.” And they gave us an appointment that was like in mid-February. And that seems so far away and there were days where I was working, I’m working in a high school, I’m around 2,000 teenagers. I’m having difficulty controlling my bladder, which is quite embarrassing when you’re in front of 2,000 teenagers.

Rick Bangs:

I know, [inaudible 00:10:23].

Mike Vasallo:

We have seven classes at the school, the bell rings seven times and one afternoon I was on the way home from talking to my wife, I said, “Hon, this is getting really hard. I’m going to the bathroom like 10 times a day on a seven period schedule. Sometimes I’m going twice in one class period.” I counted in my head that there were 50 steps from my desk to the faculty restroom and thankfully, I’m not a classroom based employee, I’m a school administrator, so I can actually get up and walk out. If I were teaching in a classroom, I wouldn’t be able to leave the children unsupervised to go to the restroom. “Hon, I’ve got to do something about this.”

And so she called the cancer center, I made her upset, I was upset and she called the cancer center and she said, “Is there anything we can do to move up this appointment? My husband’s having symptoms. We really want to try to see somebody so we can start moving forward with this.” And the lady said, “We do get cancellations, so I encourage you to call.” And she said, “In fact, I’m going to tell you to call every day.” My wife said, “What?” She said, “Call every day.” She said, “Your husband needs help and that is your job to call every day. We’re not going to be annoyed. We’re not going to be bothered. You can call every day and check for a cancellation.” And sure enough, by doing that within a day or two, they moved me up into mid-January from mid-February for my first appointment at the cancer center and then the ball got rolling. But that’s a piece of advice that I really share not only with bladder cancer patients, but also their caregivers.

Rick Bangs:

That is an important, important piece of advice. Cancellations are … They happen and it’s helpful.

Mike Vasallo:

And I mean, the decision for us to open up was a personal one. There were some reasons that I was holding back and not talking to people openly about it. In hindsight, I wish I would have opened up earlier because there were so many other friends, family members, people from our community that when they found out, stepped up and said, “We’ll pick your son up from practice,” Or, “We’ll bring you a meal.” And I’m so thankful for all those people, but for a while we kept that shut out because we were battling it silently together.

It’s a personal decision, not everybody wants to open up and talk about their journey, talk about what they’re going through. It’s emotional to have that conversation over and over and over again. But on the flip side, once we opened up and we opened up pretty wide by going on social media.

Rick Bangs:

You opened the floodgates there.

Mike Vasallo:

But that too opened up an entire community of people because there was no one that I knew that was a bladder cancer patient or a bladder cancer survivor. I didn’t know anyone personally to talk to. However, online, I found people that were going through it and we had the same experiences and we could share in that and we could commiserate in that. And I’m so thankful that I did open up and find that community.

Rick Bangs:

Wow. Yeah, so now you’ve made it your mission to educate people about bladder cancer and I’m getting a sense for, but can you articulate why it’s important to you?

Mike Vasallo:

Well, I mean, first of all, I’ve always been an educator at heart. I’ve been working in schools for more than 26 years with students and I’m very passionate about educating. But as I started to open up about this, I found that there was a natural curiosity that people had about bladder cancer. Many people had never heard of bladder cancer and they asked about the treatment and, “Are you going to undergo chemo?” And I would start to explain the BCG and immunotherapy and it blew their mind that you can teach your body to fight the cancer cells. And there’s a little danger to it because you’re injecting your body with this like active germ of the tuberculosis virus, and so there was a lot of fascination from people.

I started to look for resources online. I found the BCAN website. I found this podcast, but one thing that I really wanted as a patient was I wanted to know what the BCG treatment was like. I wanted to know how my body would react to it. I wanted to know what types of symptoms people experienced. And yes, you can read in journals and you can read articles, but to hear someone actually talk about it was something-

Rick Bangs:

Yeah, it’s not the same, right?

Mike Vasallo:

And I found some people along the way that were already talking about it and I felt like there aren’t enough of us, so maybe I should use this. And I talked about being on a spiritual journey as well. There was a lot of prayer. And at one point, I said, “God, if you can get me through this, you can use me as your instrument.” And so we came to that agreement. It really has taken off more than I ever thought it could.

Rick Bangs:

Well, I’m glad you came to that agreement because it’s really exciting and really helpful. Okay, so related to that, you do some fun and innovative posting on TikTok about bladder cancer. In fact, that’s where I first met you or didn’t meet you, I saw you. So for our listeners who, many of whom may never have had a TikTok experience, what is it and how is it different from something like Facebook?

Mike Vasallo:

Well, as an educator, my first experiences with TikTok were early on and in the echoes of COVID as students came back to school and they would set their phones on the bar or the crash bar of a door and they’d be dancing in front of them and I’m like, “What are you guys doing?” “We’re making a TikTok.” I thought it was kind of the end of our society. These kids were just mesmerized by making TikTok dances all the time.

But eventually I joined it and I got into looking for things on TikTok. There is value in the short form video. Essentially, it’s a video blog. You can be creative, you can use music, you can use video. There are lots of ways that you can be creative with TikTok, but it’s also very short form. Most videos are two to three minutes long at most. And sometimes I find solutions to how to fix my car on TikTok. I find recipes on TikTok and I thought, “Well, why can’t I find content on bladder cancer?”

And you go to YouTube and I’ll use the example of fixing your car, but you search for like how to install this part on your car, but first you got to hear about this guy’s car repair shop in Columbus, Ohio and it ends up being an eight-minute video to show you two minutes of what you really need. And so TikTok just kind of jumps right to the point and I really liked that experience. And as I got into posting … And my first videos were just literally me talking to the phone.

But as I got into things and I started doing some deeper reading and research on bladder cancer, on medical journals, when something would come out, I was able to actually, because I don’t want people to think that I’m just giving them false information. So as I’m talking about a topic, I might have a picture of the journal as a green screen behind my face while I’m talking. So someone can say that this actually came from the Cleveland Clinic that he’s talking about, that I’m not just making something up about bladder cancer. So there’s lots of flexibility in the way that you can present the information and I really enjoy that.

And then the other thing is on TikTok, there are just trends where creators might use a song or an image and people will continue to imitate that. And then what that does is it gets itself into the algorithm, and I’m getting really nerdy here, but it gets itself into the algorithm and then it gets views for looking for the trend. And so what happens is there aren’t a lot of people that are necessarily looking for bladder cancer information on TikTok, but what I’m hoping is by getting onto the trends, I can get into the algorithm and they’ll find me by accident and go, “Wow, this guy used that trend to actually talk about bladder cancer.”

During the summer, there was a trend with Will Smith, the actor and the rapper Doechii, who had a song called Anxiety. And so my niece is such a trooper and she often will get involved in my TikTok videos with me, but Will and Doechii danced and there was this little dance to her song called Anxiety. And so my niece and I recreated it as Will Smith and Doechii, but I put a caption on it that says, “The anxiety of getting ready for your cystoscopy.” And so I try to look for … It’s kind of sick, but as I look at my TikToks now, I think, how can I relate that to bladder cancer? And so that’s kind of one of the things that I also do to try to spread the awareness and get the word out beyond just people that are in the bladder cancer community.

Rick Bangs:

Okay, so when you go down this path, how much experience have you had with TikTok before this all happened? And why did you specifically choose TikTok as the platform of choice?

Mike Vasallo:

Yeah, like I said, I kind of viewed it as a nuisance with the kids and I didn’t understand. And I think that’s kind of always the generational thing that the older generation doesn’t understand what the younger generation is doing. But I joined it more so to kind of get into … I mean, there were things that were happening on TikTok as a school administrator, and again, we go back to like 2021, 2022, there was like this trend where kids were destroying school bathrooms and we didn’t … As adults were like, “Why are they doing this? Why are they taking all the toilet paper out? Why are they stuffing it all …”

And it was a TikTok trend and none of us were on TikTok, but the kids were and they all knew it. So I said, “You know what? I kind of have to be there to kind of like see what’s going on and to kind of stay ahead of the kids in some ways.” But then again, I found it a resource that I could use for … There were helpful videos there. So why can’t this be a place that we could talk about bladder cancer?

Rick Bangs:

Sure. Why not? Why not? Okay, so I did see a TikTok where you spoke about the coverage or lack thereof, and that’s the important point, of urologists in America. And I think our listeners would be interested in that. So talk about that particular TikTok.

Mike Vasallo:

So actually it was a data point that came from an online bladder cancer forum, and that was actually the first time I met you. We were in that forum together and a urologist shared that data point that, “60% of the counties in the United States do not have a urologist.” And that was absolutely mind-blowing that there’s that much of a lack of a presence of urologists in so many counties in so many areas. I’m lucky to live in a large metropolitan area and there are multiple urology practices that I can access as well as a major cancer center, but I started to think about people that are not in those areas. Where do they go to get their treatment?

So I went on my TikTok, and I’m on a lot of platforms now and we’ll talk about that later, but I posted a word screenshot, some verbiage that just said, “How far do you have to travel for your bladder cancer treatment?” And I just let people comment and I used their comments as an informal survey and people had some mind-blowing experiences with how far they had to travel.

I had people … One patient said that they traveled 840 miles to go to MD Anderson for treatments and another said that they travel seven and a half hours each way to and from their place of treatment. It also brought up conversations about the cost of bladder cancer, which has lots of costs on the medical side, but also hidden costs because if you’re going seven and a half hours each way for a treatment, you’re probably going to stay in a hotel, you’ve got gas, you might be flying in an airplane. I’m frustrated with the cost of bladder cancer and I can get to lots of treatment centers nearby, but if that was on top of it, that would be very difficult for me and difficult for a lot of patients. You don’t want finances to be a barrier to treatment.

Rick Bangs:

Right, right. Oh, we have a long way to go. Okay, so what are some of your favorite bladder cancer TikTok episodes?

Mike Vasallo:

One that I liked doing was, it was a TikTok trend, there was a TikTok trend called Get Ready With Me. It was usually women who were like getting ready, getting dressed, putting on makeup, showing off their outfit. But I did a get ready with me for BCG. And so I kind of talked about my routine in the morning and how I got ready for BCG. Once I got to the urology office, what steps they take in the office and then I come home and then I kind of talk through how I’m experiencing the symptoms as I hold the two-hour hold that my doctor asks me to hold and things like that. So that was one of them.

But really some of the other ones that get a lot more views and that I find value in are … I made a simple one that was just defining bladder cancer terms. And going back to receiving my diagnosis in the portal before Christmas, it was a word salad and the only word I understood was carcinoma. So literally like Googling every single word to try to figure out what this exactly means for me.

Rick Bangs:

Right. Well, carcinoma, you’re ahead of the game if you knew that word. So that’s, wow.

Mike Vasallo:

Right. And so the difference between high grade, low grade, muscle invasive, non-muscle invasive, in situ. So I just kind of defined the term and that one gets a lot of views because I think a lot of people that are making their first approach to bladder cancer are just trying to figure out what the words mean.

Another one that has resonated is one that I did called pain management post TURBT. And that was just, I saw a lot of questions … I’m a member of a lot of bladder cancer Facebook groups as well where patients come on, they’re saying, “I’m experiencing this, what do you do for that?” And so I thought, “Well, let me just make a video and try to spread that a little bit farther and wider.” And so that one gets quite a bit of use as well.

Rick Bangs:

Oh, good topic. Good topic. All right, so now you’ve had some interactions with your followers and what are some of the more interesting ones?

Mike Vasallo:

Well, some of my earliest followers were people that knew me because that’s kind of how the TikTok algorithm works. And I had a former student comment early on, and this one I really enjoyed, they said, “Of course, Mr. Vasallo, you’re using this moment to teach us.”

Rick Bangs:

Of course.

Mike Vasallo:

And that heartened me that there was some usefulness to this. I’ve met a lot of people online and a lot of other bladder cancer patients and survivors and we do a lot of chatting through direct messages and eventually we exchange phone numbers so we can text each other. I recently was invited to a conference called Healthy Voices that Johnson & Johnson puts on for health advocates from all disease spaces, not just cancers, but AIDS, mental health. And I got to meet a lot of my fellow bladder cancer advocates face to face in the flesh. I could hug them, so that was a great experience.

But my reach has reached … I’ve had doctors. I’ve had executives at Johnson & Johnson tell me that they watch my videos and my story has impacted the work and the research they’re doing for bladder cancer treatments and that exceeded anything that I ever would have expected the first time I opened my phone and started talking to it. But there are a lot of people that just send private messages or DMs asking me questions privately or telling me that my videos have helped them or that they’re a caregiver for their parent and they showed my video to their parent. And that means a lot. And honestly, that helped me. I talked about the dark place I was in the diagnosis stage, and as I got into fighting through this and sharing that information, that buoyed me. Being able to interact with other people and people telling me that I’m helping them by sharing my experience really, I think it probably impacted how I handled my treatment and recovery.

Rick Bangs:

Oh, sure. Sure, it means the world. All right, so you and I both know bladder cancer has very low awareness, but recently Deion Sanders came forward and he talked about his bladder cancer and that opened just a virtual floodgate of awareness. So what did his announcement mean to you?

Mike Vasallo:

At my age, Deion Sanders was an idol of mine. I was in middle school when he came out of college and was drafted into the NFL and he’s not only a legendary football player, but he’s a legendary persona. Prime time, he wears the gold chains and the fancy glasses and he had a lot of swagger and persona and charisma. When you’re diagnosed with bladder cancer and you’re advocating, it takes a lot to step out and be vulnerable. It takes a lot to talk about your urinary patterns and talk about wetting yourself openly, which is something bladder cancer patients do experience. It takes a lot to talk about that. And I’m so thankful that he’s using his platform to speak out about bladder cancer. And he’s doing it with all the swagger and charisma that he did have as a player.

He had a lot of behind the scenes footage that I think he had his son’s film when he announced things because when he did his press conference, he was already through the whole recovery and everything. But to see him, this Hall of Fame hero on his doc fishing with a bloody catheter bag on the table next to him was just, that’s the raw experience of a bladder cancer patient in recovery and talking about how he depends on Depends and having a porta potty on the sideline while he coaches. I’m so thankful that he stepped into the limelight because I think the bladder cancer space needs someone like that to grab hold of it.

And his announcement also made me look at my journey a little differently. He’s non-muscle invasive like me. He was not a muscle invasive … Muscle invasive bladder cancer, usually the conversation is radical cystectomy for most of those patients. And as a non-muscle invasive bladder cancer patient, he opted for the cystectomy because he didn’t want to go through the rounds of cystoscopy and the BCG treatments or whatever treatments they were offering him. He said, “Just take my bladder.” And I thought, “Well, these treatments really aren’t fun.” So that’s a whole nother level of conversation for a bladder cancer patient to consider is, when is enough enough? When am I going to tap out on this? There are some people that are non-BCG responsive, there’s some new treatments coming down the line, but I think he definitely changed the conversation for bladder cancer patients.

Rick Bangs:

Right, right. And these are very personal decisions and discussions, very.

Mike Vasallo:

Yes, absolutely.

Rick Bangs:

Okay. So Mike, any final thoughts?

Mike Vasallo:

Well, I’m kind of starstruck to be here. I’ve listened to a lot of your episodes. When I was first diagnosed, I was working at a school where I had a commute in the car that was 45 minutes each way and I was already a podcast listener and I thought, “Okay, well, let me see if I can find a podcast about bladder cancer.” And sure enough, you were the first thing to pop up, so you’re in the algorithm. And not only was I listening to current episodes, but I was able to scroll back in the feed and find episodes about topics that I wanted to learn about and some topics that I didn’t necessarily want to Google and have on like Google. And it was such a great resource for me to try to learn more about what this experience was going to look like. And so I want to thank you for the work that you’re doing here in the bladder cancer space with BCAN and everyone at BCAN also because the resources they produce are phenomenal and they are truly our beacon in the storm for bladder cancer patients.

Rick Bangs:

Oh, that’s very kind and very accurate. They do such an amazing job. So Mike, I want to thank you for sharing your passion for bladder cancer advocacy and how you use TikTok to spread the word about bladder cancer.

Mike Vasallo:

Thank you so much, Rick. I appreciate the time.

Rick Bangs:

If you’d like more information on bladder cancer, please visit the BCAN website, www.bcan.org.

Mike, in case people wanted to get in touch with you, could you share some contact information?

Mike Vasallo:

Absolutely. Across most platforms, so Facebook, X, Instagram, Bluesky, Threads, I’m trying to be everywhere, I am @MisterVee3, so that’s M-I-S-T-E-R-V-E-E, and then the number three, MisterVee3. On Facebook, I’m just first name Mister, Last name Vee, again, V-E-E. And you can find me there. And if you want to email me, I can also be reached at Mistervee33@gmail. So that’s M-I-S-T-E-R-V-E-E [email protected].

Rick Bangs:

Excellent. Excellent. Just a reminder, if you’d like more information about bladder cancer, you can contact the Bladder Cancer Advocacy Network at 1-888-901-2226. That’s all the time we have today. Be sure to like, come and subscribe to this podcast so we have your feedback. Thank you for listening and we’ll be back soon with another interesting episode of Bladder Cancer Matters. Thanks again, Mike.

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